The Unsinkable Titanic & The Premonitions Surrounding Its Demise
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Denise:Okay. Absolutely. So guys, I wanted to talk about the Titanic today. Yes, the Titanic. The Titanic technically today was the day that it sank.
Denise:02:20AM this morning. I wanna say Eastern. It kinda was in the middle of the ocean, so I think it was an hour behind, but 02:20AM is what the historians say. And go figure my clock in my office that's battery operated stopped at 02:20.
Missy:Get out.
Denise:Not joking.
Missy:Wow.
Denise:I'd flip this over so I could show you 02:20 stopped working and the seconds hand is on the nine, which you know how much we love the number nine in the universe. Right?
Missy:Yep.
Denise:And so when I was 17 years old, I was in history class in high school and my teacher brought up the Titanic. And I have been a Titanic buff ever since.
Denise:My daughter says I could probably call myself a historian at this point. I was mesmerized. I couldn't understand why. I remember going to the library. This is, you know, pre internet.
Denise:And I went and got all these books. I remember, I think like months later, James Cameron was coming out with the Titanic. I couldn't believe it. Like I couldn't believe how synchronistic things were happening and I couldn't understand what my tie was to it. I don't think I was on the Titanic.
Denise:I hear a lot of people who are so into it. They're like, oh, I think I had a past life. And I was like, I don't think so, but I believe that I must've had a shipwrecking past life. There's something about it that feels very traumatic, very familiar, but I'm very intrigued. And so what I thought was interesting as I started to learn more about it by the way, JP Morgan, he had a psychic.
Denise:And I remember there was a quote where he said, Millionaires don't go to psychics, billionaires do. I always remember that. And he would always try to downplay having a psychic. This is, you know, unrelated, but was it Carnegie?
Denise:Yeah, Carnegie. I know Carnegie had his intuitive living in his home in Manhattan. And he said, I just need you whenever I need you. Right? I always find those things very fascinating.
Denise:And the spiritualist movement was pretty big back then also. Right? It was.
Missy:Yeah. Mary Mary Lincoln, Mary Todd Lincoln, she used to hold seances in the White House, and she was known as a spiritualist.
Missy:Right. Right. Was another gentleman. He was an author, William Steed. He was very much into the spiritualist moment. Okay.
Denise:So you know who I'm talking about.
Missy:I know who you're talking about.
Denise:You know, and he passed away on the Titanic.
Missy:Actually, I heard something different. I don't wanna dispute what you're saying because you're the historian, but I've I'm sorry. You're right. He was a spiritualist and a journalist, and he had told his friends that he would either die by lynching or drowning, and he did die on the Titanic. So yes, now I remember.
Denise:His medium also warned him. She actually didn't want him to go on the Titanic, but he did because he didn't want to dispute fate. Right?
Missy:Right.
Denise:Right. Truly But powerful. And so what most people don't know is that JP Morgan's psychic told him not to go on the Titanic.
Missy:That's crazy.
Denise:How do you tell people I'm not going on because my psychic told me you couldn't back then?
Denise:Right?
Missy:Right.
Denise:And so he said, oh, I need to go pick up a painting in France. And then he told other people, oh, I was sick. I wasn't feeling well.
Denise:There was all these rumors of what really happened. Can I just assume that that's what happened because people said it? No, but I'm a psychic and I can intuitively feel what feels right and what doesn't. That feels right to me.
Missy:Do you know whether this information is true? I can remember this from a while ago that JP Morgan's, he owned a company. It was like the sister company of the Titanic. You know if that's true?
Denise:Yes. Oh, mercantile. The mercantile. Yeah.
Missy:The mercantile. Yeah. There you go.
Denise:Yeah. And so there was always this con and I don't wanna go into conspiracy theories, but there was a conspiracy theory that he wanted to get insurance off of it because the Olympic, which is Titanic's cispership, was damaged by the SS Hawk when they were playing chicken in the ocean, was another crazy story. All all of that. And then you've got them saying that it's the Olympic that's on on the bottom of the ocean, not the Titanic, but we clearly see footage. It clearly says Titanic on the ship.
Denise:Right? So, but yes, you are correct. And so again, I was super obsessed with it. I remember asking my friends to come with me. Nobody wanted to go.
Denise:I was an old soul. I remember going to the movie theater in Meissner Park, Boca Raton. That's where I lived over in that area. And I was the youngest person in the theater and it was packed. It was just white hairs everywhere and then Denise with her popcorn.
Denise:So as an intuitive and learning, seeing, I just I became obsessed with it. I became obsessed with it to the point where I couldn't truly understand why. But what I always found fascinating was and I I think you'll get a kick out of this, missy. There was an author, and I'm gonna read the forward of A Night to Remember, which is the book about the sinking of the Titanic by Walter Lord. And the forward says, in 1898, a struggling author named Morgan Robertson concocted a novel about a fabulous Atlantic liner far larger than any that had ever been built.
Denise:Robertson, now mind you, I said 1898, Titanic didn't sink until 1912. So fourteen years before Robertson loaded his ship with rich and complacent people and then wrecked it one cold April night on an iceberg.
Missy:Wow.
Denise:This somehow showed the futility of everything. And in fact, the book was called Futility when it appeared that year published by the firm of M. F. Mansfield. Fourteen years later, a British shipping company named the White Star Line built a steamer remarkably like the one in Robertson's novel. The new liner was 66,000 tons displacement. Robertson's was 70,000.
Denise:The real ship was 882.5 feet long. The fictional one was 800 feet. Both vessels were triple screw and could make 24 to 25 knots. Both could carry around 3,000 people and both had enough lifeboats for only a fraction of this number. But then this didn't seem to matter because both were labeled unsinkable.
Denise:On 04/10/1912, the real ship left Southampton on her maiden voyage to New York. Her cargo included a priceless copy of the Ruby Yacht of Omar Khayyam. I don't know if I said that correctly. And a list of passengers collectively worth $250,000,000 back then. On her way over, she too struck an iceberg and went down on a cold April night.
Denise:Robertson called his ship the Titan. The White Star Line called its ship the Titanic. This is the story of her last night.
Missy:Wow. That is that is very interesting. But I did hear something at one point that Morgan Robinson Robertson said, well, I'm, I'm not a psychic. I'm just knowledgeable on, you know, maritime.
Missy:Yeah. Because when you look a little deeper, he wrote more than one book that was prophetic and he openly talked to friends and family about getting intuitive hits.
Missy:Yeah.
Denise:But he was so afraid to share with people that he truly believed that this might be a psychic ability. Yeah. Did you hear that also?
Missy:Yes, I did. Yeah. And that's why I'm saying, was like, well, he's he didn't want to call himself a psychic. Well, I'm not a psychic. I'm just really knowledgeable, you know, with, maritime,
Denise:Yeah. Right? And so some of the stories, obviously after the Titanic sank, people started to share some of their stories. A lot of them waited until decades to share their stories, doesn't surprise me. Some of the premonitions, there was a survivor named Eva Hart. She was seven or eight years old.
Denise:And her mother, she believes was super intuitive. And her mother was so uncomfortable on the ship that she refused to sleep at night. So while her husband and the kids slept, she'd stay awake. And then during the day she would sleep and have the husband take the kids around the ship because she felt something was going to happen. Eva's father didn't make it, right?
Denise:But her mom, she and her sibling made it. Archibald Gracie, his wife, in the middle of the night while the ship was sinking, she woke up with such a pang in her stomach that was so uneasy that she pulled out the Bible and she said, God, I don't really know what's happening. What is this feeling? And she just randomly opened her Bible and it started to talk about peril on the sea. Oh, right.
Denise:And he said she dropped to her knees and she started to pray. Right. There was another couple where when the Titanic was about to be let go from Southampton, England to New York, Something happened where the tugboat didn't release and then it the the rope snapped and the Titanic almost lost control and it almost hit another ship. I believe the ship was called New York. And they were able to save it.
Denise:And this one survivor, this young girl, she said her dad looked at her mom and said, that is an omen.
Missy:Oh, wow.
Denise:Right? It made him so uncomfortable. There were other people that said when they were going into the ship, they saw rats and cats running away from the ship.
Denise:Every time you send off a new ship, you break a champagne bottle against it. And they didn't do that with the Titanic for whatever reason
Missy:That's interesting.
Denise:Right? So we talked about William Steed because I kind of had a I created a little list here. When I think about people that go to that area now where the Titanic sank, there have been people who have been on ships that said they see orbs around the water, like just on the surface of the water. And it actually makes me so sad.
Missy:Yeah,
Denise:because I'm like, man, I think Missy, we need to go go to bird. We need to go out there and just be like, you guys, follow the valley. Like, be free from the water. Right? But I've always been so fascinated by these stories.
Denise:And a gentleman wrote a book back in the eighties about the premonitions. It's discontinued now. I actually went to go buy it. It's like $600 and it's got to come from England. But I'm so fascinated by the stories.
Denise:The angelic moments, sometimes it wasn't about, I saw, you know, angel and they gave me a life vest. Like it was literally people helping others. I remember there was a story where one of the, the crew, she had a life vest and this woman, they were, they ran out and he gave her his life vest and he said, ma'am, please pray for me. Right? I'm gonna give you my life vest, but if you don't mind, if you could just pray for me that I'll be okay.
Denise:I mean, sadly, he didn't make it.
Missy:Yeah. There was, I heard something else too about there was a fireman that was on board and he was told, like a voice came to him and the voice told him, If you stay aboard, you're going to die. So we hid in a mailbag and actually got off on a stop in, I think it's Queenstown. Then of course we know what happened.
Denise:Yeah. Wow.
Missy:Crazy. All the people that were hearing the voice, premonition, or just the feeling that something was wrong and all these little things leading up to the not breaking of the bottle and the tugboat. Yeah, it's just crazy.
Denise:It is crazy.
Missy:It was bound and determined to sink based on all these other little things. Right?
Denise:Right. The best is the amount of people that had dreams. One woman who begged her husband not to go and he said it was her tears, her desperation because she had two dreams back to back right before he left and he decided not to go because she was so distraught. But yeah, they always say these tragedies don't just happen because of one mistake. I mean, something as simple as the guy who had the the keys to unlock the binoculars at the last minute, they were like, we have too many crew members.
Denise:So we're gonna let you go, you can go on the next ship. Then he walked off with the key. And then the lookout didn't have it. So they had to kind of squint. And then, you know, the one night that it was like a pond, there was no moon.
Denise:No movement. Yeah. And so they couldn't see the break of the waves up against the iceberg that would tell them it's an iceberg. Yeah.
Missy:Yeah. I heard, they call it like there was no moon, no wind. Right? Yeah. And a lot of sailors knew that to not be a good situation. So you had both of those things happening.
Denise:And then from an astrological place also, and I don't have all the details. I'd have to, you guys can Google it, but they talked about the sky that night, specifically on that night, 1912, it was the first time there were certain stars aligned in a 100 years. Wow. And it created a lot of calm on the earth. So it wasn't even just like the waters that were calm.
Denise:Like there was something astrologically happening. And that year was also the year where they had such a warming that the icebergs breaking from Greenland were doubled. So there were thousands and thousands of icebergs in the water on 04/14/1912.
Missy:It's crazy. That's what I mean. Like everything lining up for the quote unquote perfect storm. Right?
Denise:Right. Then you look at destiny and you think, my God, it was destined to happen because how, when you think about what we could have done to not allow this to happen, it was nothing. It's one of those things where when bad things happen and one of the first things people do is we blame the universe. And yeah, go ahead.
Missy:No, I was gonna say, you know, based on you doing so much research prior to then the movie coming out, what were the things that you felt were true about the movie? Obviously we know that the romance between Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet was for effect, but do you feel like as you were watching it, it was lining up with all the information or what you had learned? Did you feel like that?
Denise:That's like a great question. I was super annoyed by the movie. I literally thought it was going to be like a documentary slash everything is true to form, witness testimony, real people. And I remember sitting in the movie theater thinking, what the hell is this? Right?
Denise:So I knew there wasn't a rose and I knew that all that was BS. And so I didn't truly start to enjoy the movie until about an hour and a half into it because remember it was like a three hour thing when the ship put the iceberg is where I was like, okay buddy, I'm ready now. Right? And the drawn out and she's gotta go through the water in this heavy dress and she's gotta go get the axe. She, like that scene, I was like, dude, this movie could be two and a half hours if we just didn't really emphasize so much about them.
Denise:And it's funny because I try to do like, like a Titanic trivia. Yeah. And I will just like Google every once in a while. And it's about the movie. What was Rose wearing in this scene?
Denise:I don't care what Rose is wearing. I wanna know what the real people were wearing. Sometimes you'll even see trivia movie only.
Missy:Is the heart of the ocean in a museum?
Denise:Right? You know, it's funny for my birthday, I treated myself to the Titanic immersive in February. Very cool. Love that. Here in South Florida. I think they end, I think the end of this month.
Denise:And when I went in, they said there were going be artifacts. Like, it was all like replicas of what, right? I mean, I was like, okay, that's great. Listen, Orlando has one. They have the real deal.
Denise:I remember walking in there and my scalp started tingling, spirits are coming through. And I remember actually being afraid and then being frustrated because I want to enjoy it as a normal person, not as Demise Powell, the psychic. I remember looking at someone's socks and their cufflinks in like a display and feeling the tingling of mediumship coming through. I was like, no, no, no, don't do that. I'm On vacation.
Missy:Yeah. I'm a patron. I'm a patron.
Denise:Yeah. Like, but then when I look back now, I'm like, Denise, that was so stupid. You should have just, you know, grabbed whatever you could, but yeah, but they had this section in the immersive where you're literally sitting in the lifeboats And the lifeboat is actually a lot bigger than I thought.
Denise:like really big. And I'm you sit and there's like a three sixty screen of the ocean. Like even the waves, it hits the floor and you feel like you're really there.
Missy:That's cool.
Denise:It Was super powerful.
Denise:But I don't know what it is about my connection. Like I said, I don't think I was on the Titanic, but I really believe that there's some and we just came out of our reincarnation episode a couple weeks ago. Right? But the past life, like, what is it about that? What is it about every time I do a reading, they tell me I had a son that drowned.
Denise:Right? What what is it at 17 years old? My teacher brings up Titanic and my ears went up like, oh, what right? Like what grabbed me in that moment? Missy, I had posters.
Denise:Love Anthony Hardaway from you know, the Orlando magic. Orlando magic. On my walls. And then I had the cover of the New York Times the next day after the Titanic sank where it said 1,500 people, and it had the captain on there. Yeah, I don't think that that's a coincidence that I was so drawn to it.
Denise:So every year I follow this channel called Titanic Honor and Glory and they created a Titanic video game and they've been mastering it for a good fifteen years now and it's become a trend now. They do real time syncing. Wow. So they start from the people the night before sundown, they'll show the Morse code, warnings of, you know, be careful of icebergs, the whole bit. And then it goes from that to the sinking.
Denise:It shows the water flooding, and it's like a good four hours. It's phenomenal. They've really mastered it.
Missy:I think you mentioned that there were a 704 survivors. There was over, what, 2,200 passengers, and yet they built this, you know, luxury liner that didn't have enough lifeboats.
Denise:Yeah. So the problem with that is that the law, they weren't making ships that big. The White Star Line, who was funded by JP Morgan, they were being outclassed by another company. Their ships were moving really quickly. So they decided let's focus on luxury.
Denise:Second class on the Titanic was first class in their competition. They stepped it up a notch. And so the ships were getting bigger, but they didn't change the laws because no one was making ships that were over 47,000 tons at the time. And no one thought they have to change the law. When they had the person who said to them, hey, you guys, we need more lifeboats.
Denise:The managing director of White Star Line said, it's gonna make the ship look too cluttered. Right? This is luxury. We can't have And the gentleman wouldn't sign off. He was like, I'm not signing off on this.
Denise:And they got rid of him.
Missy:Wow.
Denise:And so he had to testify. And he said, I let them know I would not sign off on that. And they were upset.
Denise:So yeah, it was about aesthetics. Why they didn't have enough lifeboats. And then every ship, no matter old or new, you have to have a lifeboat drill. And the captain, captain Smith said, no, we don't need it. We're good.
Missy:All these ego decisions. Right?
Denise:Right. Yeah. And and it's I feel like you had senioritis. Remember in high school, the minute we were about to graduate, we got senioritis. Nobody cared.
Denise:We didn't do anything. Nobody's going to class. He was in this business for thirty years and the Titanic was his final ship. He was going to retire.
Missy:Yeah.
Denise:Right. Think he had senioritis. He was just like, oh, whatever. It's a brand new ship. It's only here for aesthetics because this is the unsinkable ship.
Denise:Why are we worried about lifeboats? So this is why when the lifeboats went down, some of them had 20 people in it when it could fit 80.
Missy:And
Denise:when they asked, why didn't you guys fill it up? They said, we didn't know how much to fill. Well, guess what? That's because you guys didn't do the drill.
Missy:Yeah. Right. Is it also true that there was another, like, ship or something nearby that basically could have gone and and helped. I think I remember something being like, like five or 10 miles away, something ridiculously close. And they just thought, oh, they were, you know, lights in the sky or whatever it is.
Denise:Yeah. It was the SS California. Right? The Californian. And I gotta tell you, I have such mixed views about that.
Denise:I've seen historians talk about it, but I'm looking at it from an intuitive place. And I think it's all nonsense, what they said. I think the captain was reckless. And I also get the intuitive feeling that he was drunk. I've always gotten that.
Denise:And so he goes to bed. And what's interesting is the person on the Californian, the Morse code guy, they were so close that when he would do the Morse code, it would like hurt the eardrum. And so the guy on the Titanic was like, you've already told me. You've already warned me. He said, listen.
Denise:We're stopping because this is outrageous. We can't move. There was ice, Missy for 25 miles.
Missy:Wow.
Denise:they couldn't get past it. So he gives them the warning. Titanic says, okay, thank you so much. And then because Titanic was luxury, rich people were paying to send messages like, my God, this is so cruel. Can you tell my friend Gabby hi, and that we're having dinner right now.
Denise:And that became priority. So he was gonna have all things like messages that need to get out. And here's the California and like, guys, did you get my message about the ice? Did you get my message about the ice? And Titanic basically tells him F off.
Denise:He was actually really rude. He's like, Screw you. Stop getting on here. You're disturbing me. I got things to do.
Denise:Stop. Oh, wow. And that was around eleven it's disputed that it happened at 11:20. It felt like 11:30. And then the Californian, they only had one wireless guy.
Denise:Well, back then, it's amazing how like after nine eleven rules changed in the way that we fly. After the Titanic sunk, the rules changed. Now every ship had to have two people because at 11:30, after he got yelled at, he turned off the wireless and went to bed. Wow. And Titanic hit the iceberg ten minutes later.
Denise:I give you the warning, you get off at 11:30, they hit the iceberg at 11:40, nobody knew. And now the captain went to bed early. I really believe he was drunk. And these guys are seeing the lights. So certain colors tell me what's going on.
Denise:If it's red, I believe it's emergency. There's green. There's all these different ones. But when you have a light color going up into the sky, can either mean a celebration, or it could also mean we need attention and talk about and this is very interesting. They would send Morse code to the Titanic with the lights to see, hey, are you guys okay?
Denise:But there was no one paying attention. And then when Titanic went to do the light Morse code, no one on the California was paying attention. And I remember they called on to the captain and he's so upset that they're disturbing his sleep. And they said we believe we're not quite sure they're white lights going up. And he says, Well, what does it look like in the binoculars?
Denise:And one of the guys testified that it looked like a lopsided birthday cake.
Missy:Wow.
Denise:So they saw it sinking. They tried to lie in court and said it was 30 miles away. The shipping saw was not the Titanic.
Denise:It sailed away. It was bad. And then you have a logbook and I'll be quick because I can go on and on about this, but they had a logbook where you put the information in like, oh, we see distress signals at this coordinate. And then from the logbook, you have to put it in the final copy. So when they get to court, they said they lost the logbook.
Denise:Right. The clean It was so obvious they were lying. So this captain was too lindsay. Don't you just wake up the Morse code guy? Wake up the, you know, the Marconi guy and say, Hey, can you just go on the wireless and see if something's going on?
Denise:Nobody woke him up. Nobody woke him up. So because of what happened to Titanic, they now have to have two guys. One goes to sleep and one's on.
Missy:Yeah. So I'm listening to you talk. I'm like, it was just like a succession of bad decisions.
Denise:Yes.
Missy:One after another over and over and over.
Missy:It's not like this one thing happened and then the ship sank. Was almost like spirit trying to get all these messages to everybody like, know, pay attention to this, look over here, send morse code, send the lights up or whatever it is. Like there's all these warnings since the very, very beginning that you wonder if this isn't just, we're trying to save you, but you can't get out of your own way Right? So, ok here you go. It's ego.
Missy:That's why I said to me, it's such an ego thing more than it is just kind of trusting or having faith in what you're hearing or what you're seeing. We got to make it bigger. Have to make it better. We have to top our competition. Man, it's just over and over and over throughout the entire history of it. From just the beginning when building the liner to it's sinking. Just crazy.
Denise:The idea of not listening to yourself. So they were so afraid of the captain because he was apparently a jerk and not one of them thought, right? Let's go wake up the guy to have him listen to the wireless because they were afraid as opposed to trusting what they were sensing and feeling.
Missy:Yeah. That's just crazy.
Denise:Yeah. And we do this in our everyday life. Listen Missy, we'll see how we do it sometimes. We're a spirit and spirits like, Hey, listen, I don't think this is the right thing for me. You're like, yeah, but I want to, I want to try it.
Denise:I want to just see if, You know, I remember when I first started doing this work and I wanted to date and Spirit was like, you can't date right now. And I was like, why? And they said, will not be able to stay focused. And I was so annoyed by that. And I was like, no, I think I can do it.
Denise:I didn't listen to them. And then I tried to do I tried to do two guys the first like three years that I was a crash and burn. Right? I wasn't focusing I wasn't following back with clients. I wasn't doing my blogs.
Denise:Like I was so distracted in spirits like we understand the type of attention that we need from you to get this done. You cannot have distractions. And that's not just for everybody. That's just for Denise.
Missy:Right. Right.
Denise:And so, yeah, we our ego gets the better of us and we think we know better. Now today spirit tells me jump. I'm like, how high?
Missy:Yeah. Now you've learned to listen. Right?
Denise:Yeah.
Missy:And I think I even heard that there were like people who just didn't have good feelings about getting on the Titanic and canceled their tickets.
Missy:And and one of those you mentioned earlier being JP Morgan, but not only that, but he was also told by his psychic.
Denise:Right. And yeah, a lot of people decided not to go on. The guy who said his wife kept having dreams right before he was to leave. There were so many, Missy. There were so many people that have this same story.
Missy:I just laugh because I'm thinking about how Spirit was trying to use all these people and all these circumstances. I can just imagine Spirit going, God, what else do we need to do? Okay. Let's go ahead and send Let's send the SS Californian out there now. They can save everybody.
Missy:They have enough boats and we're just gonna put them five, ten miles away, but the Morse code guy now is gonna go to bed. Are you kidding me? What do we need to do?
Denise:You gotta think like, at what point do we look at this and say it's just fate?
Missy:Yeah.
Denise:Right?
Denise:Like, did it need to happen? when I think about how much the shipping regulations changed after nine, I was gonna say 9/11 at the Titanic, but the 9/11 also, you know, like, Gen Z, they don't know what it was like to just go to the airport, you could have a box cutter in your back pocket, and you just walk right on to a plane. And The United States was just like, we're in good faith. You guys are going to be good and not do anything silly.
Missy:Yeah.
Denise:Right.
Denise:There's an innocence there that now they'll never understand.
Missy:You. And you've been obviously following this for many, many years. To you, what's maybe the most amazing fact, if you can narrow it down to anything or what really stands out to you about the Titanic in drawing the comparison to what what we do aside from all the premonitions? Because I think I did read something a long time ago about how newspapers early in the nineteen hundreds were even printing articles about something happening. You know? I I don't know how true that is,
Denise:but like You mean before it happened? They were they Yeah.
Missy:Like, in the nineteen hundreds, a lot of the newspapers were talking about luxury liners and this is what can happen and
Denise:Oh. Like, okay. Just talking about what could because they were building so quickly.
Missy:Yeah. Because they were building so quickly and all these things. If you'd if if you're gonna continue to do that, then this is going to happen. or, So there were a lot of newspaper articles in the early nineteen hundreds, even earlier than 1912.
Denise:Well, I don't know if I think it's a premonition. Cause I it's kind of like the way we look at AI now. Five years ago, articles were warning that this is where we're heading and we have to be careful. And then of course, you know, man gets greedy and now the creator of AI walks around with a blue backpack with bodyguards. Just in case AI tries to take over the world, there's a button he presses in that blue bag, it's interesting when we can see I mean, you and I saw from a mile away, what AI is going to do and and, and I'm actually afraid because I really think by 2027, we're gonna be in a lot of trouble.
Denise:Yeah. I saw I don't know if it was necessarily premonition versus someone saying, you guys are getting a little wacky here. All this competition, the ships are getting so big. The captain doesn't even know how to drive this big thing.
Missy:Are you still finding new facts about the situation? Like, more things kinda coming out of the woodwork. And Yeah. What would be some really great books that if somebody wanted to kind of research it on their own, do you aside from the the Morgan Robinson I just wanna keep saying Robinson. Sorry.
Missy:Robertson book, Futility. Are there any other that you can recommend that are modern day? I know some of these may not even exist from way, way back, but
Denise:Yeah. No. I gotta tell you though, there's a lot of modern day books. A lot of them tend to repeat themselves. There's one called On a Sea of Glass.
Denise:It, I haven't even finished it. It's massive. And what these authors did was they put every eyewitness account back to back on top of each other. What was the eyewitness account at November? It has like 10 people that said something or, oh, I saw, you know, the crew running down and I wondered what they were doing.
Denise:Or, you know, I was drinking water. There was always hum in the ship. And then when it stopped, the water stopped jiggling. That's how they knew something was wrong. It's pretty amazing.
Denise:But I actually liked the old school stuff And old school meaning the 50s. So Walter Lord, who is the Titanic guru, I mean, this man, he dedicated his entire life. I mean, he never married, never had kids. He just dedicated his entire life to putting the story together. It's called A Night to Remember by Walter Lord.
Denise:And then he did a sequel called The Night Lives On. So The Night Lives On is post the sinking, which is even more fascinating to me.
Missy:I'm sorry. Say that again. The Night Lives On?
Denise:The Night Lives On.
Missy:Okay. Thank you.
Denise:If you've got those two in your arsenal, you're good in learning and understanding.
Missy:Any books written by any survivors now since we're a 100 and some odd We
Denise:our last survivor in 2,009.
Missy:Okay.
Denise:Yeah. And she was months she was 10 old.
Missy:Oh, wow. Okay. That's incredible. Any books that were written by survivors that you know of?
Denise:Oh yeah.
Missy:I'm sure there are, but.
Denise:I actually did an audio book for one of them. Jack Thayer is one. He was 17 at the time he lost his dad. You know, it's really sad because he went through a lot of depression. You know what else I found fascinating to a lot of the women who survived, they never married.
Denise:Even the younger ones that were like teenagers didn't marry, didn't have kids. They had PTSD. They didn't have a name for it back then. Jack Thayer clearly went through PTSD. As a matter of fact, why don't you guys go look at Jack Thayer Jack Thayer Titanic?
Denise:You'll see somebody named Denise. That's me. I did an audiobook for it. He struggled his whole life. He did marry.
Denise:He did have kids. And then his mother passed away when he was 50 and he drove into a park and committed suicide. Aw. Right. He was, he bonded with his mom so much in the trauma that when she left, he couldn't bear it.
Missy:I I just I can't even think about the the haunting. Yeah. Right. That takes place with having experienced something like that.
Denise:Yeah. And you think about back then, didn't have Xanax and Zoloft, right, to kind of help people. That's what breaks my heart is that they had to kind of walk through this pain their entire life. And many of them didn't do very well. There's another book that, for those of you who are kind of inquisitive, but don't really want too much information, it's called 101 things you thought you knew about the Titanic.
Denise:And that's like a quick thing. It true that this happened? No, it didn't. Is it true that this happened? Yes, it did.
Denise:Call it a cheat sheet to learning about the Titanic.
Missy:I'm an avid reader, so I'm always looking for my next And greatest read and I'm about 40 pages to the end of this book I'm reading now, and I might have to pick up one of these books.
Missy:Yes, please do. I'm telling you, I think every couple years I go back to a night to remember. Listen, the movie did do it justice. I wish they didn't focus so much on Rose and Jack. My cousins and I, we all go on our annual trip and we were watching it a couple years ago and I would pause it and give them fun facts.
Denise:So the movie that was like three, it took like five hours. Was I like, you guys gonna kill me? They're like, no, no, I really, really like this. You know, like, something as simple as like the smokestacks. There were four stacks on there.
Denise:And the movie has smoke coming out of the four stacks, but that's incorrect. There was only smoke coming out of the three stacks. The fourth one was cosmetic only. They thought it would make the ship look a little bit more majestic. So they added the fourth one.
Denise:So like, I'm watching a movie. I'm like, that's not historically correct. Or, you know, that never happened or you know what I mean? So I'm a Titanic nerd and I'm a unique pill to swallow when I'm watching the Titanic movie. But yeah, there's a lot of documentaries too, for those who don't really want to read.
Denise:I want to make sure I get the title right. Yep. Death of a Dream. It's really hard to find. I had to find it on history vault to see the whole thing.
Denise:But it has the survivors talking and they did it in the early or mid nineties where they're all like in their nineties. And it's just so amazing to hear the stories. You know, think about the two boys from France that were kidnapped by their dad when the mom divorced them and he didn't make it. And here are these little boys on the cover of, you know, New York Times and the moms in France and she didn't even realize they left the country and then the government paid for her to come and get them. I mean, the details, I could go on and on and on.
Missy:Do you feel like the movie where they did kind of the animated piece of it in the beginning where, like, the guy was describing what was going on. Okay. Here we're going. We're sailing, and then we hit a iceberg, and then cracks. So there was this
Denise:Yes.
Missy:Like the animated piece, and I'm just thinking that that was probably how it how it happened.
Denise:Yeah. So James Cameron did a great documentary documentary a few years ago because they know that for a fact Jack could have gone on top of the the door. Right? At the end. He didn't have to drown.
Denise:Then he showed how it didn't go up 90 degrees the way the movie did. It was actually at like a 45 angle, which is why I love Titanic Honor and Glory. They perfected it to the point where all these guys that wrote these books, these most recent books, they have them come on as guest speakers. Right? Like, they're really impressed with these guys and the work that they've done.
Missy:Did the band really play on?
Denise:The band really played on. They found one of the violins and gave it to his fiancee because she gave it to him and had it engraved before he went on the Titanic. So that was the one thing she had. And I heard that she actually like gave it away. She didn't really sell it.
Denise:She gave it and I think Sotheby's was auctioning it off. It's amazing that when you look at the life jackets, because I saw them in person, They're so tiny. Wow. Like I could not believe how tiny people were then. Yeah.
Missy:what other artifacts were you able to see? Like were there dishes? Were, you know, any kind of like a lot of dishes, cups, silverware? Cufflinks
Denise:hair clips, a mirror with a matching brush. You know, what was even interesting is when they finally, in 1985, when they discovered it, Doctor. Bob Ballard, professor, doctor, not sure. They saw how there were sets of cups and plates that were neatly placed. Like you would have thought somebody gently put them down.
Denise:Like it was unbelievable, bottles of wine still intact. They even had the flares. You could see the colors of the flares that weren't used and they were neatly stacked on top of each other.
Missy:Wow.
Denise:It was was pretty fascinating considering how horrific the break was.
Denise:Right? And when you look at the the back of the turn of the ship, it looks like it a bomb went off.
Denise:There was so much air pressure that as it was going down, it imploded. So the front one, it took its time and filled up with water, so it kinda gently went down. The back of it was spiraling, blowing up, you know. I wanted to focus more on the premonition of stuff, but we've got some good stuff here because we haven't talked about the spiritual side to it and understanding, you know, I think that there are certain things in history that have to happen in order to progress us. And even though there were so many warning signs, I always say, you see these little slip up here, slip up there, slip up there, why didn't you pay attention?
Denise:How could that have happened? I gotta say, God, this had to have been fate. Like it needed to happen. If it didn't happen, where would shipping be today?
Missy:Well, that's what I'm that's what the way I was thinking that, unfortunately, this tragedy had to happen so that people can be safe today.
Denise:Right.
Missy:You know?
Denise:That's 100%. Same thing for 09:11. Right?
Denise:Where we are today when it comes to safety and comparison is night and day. It's night and So, yeah, that's it.
Missy:Yeah. Very interesting. I I love hearing the different facts and I like hearing about the people that didn't get on because they were like that fireman that was told, If you get on here, the voice said, If you get on here, you're going to die, and then hid in the mailbag and actually got off on, like, the stop before all of that happened. It was just that's just crazy. Not really crazy to me based on what I do, but crazy. Yeah.
Denise:Yeah. There were brothers that got drunk with their friends because they were coming back to Ireland, and they had to catch and they missed it and they were so devastated. That was a ticket forever. They weren't gonna come back. They were gonna go live the American dream.
Denise:And thank God. Right? Yeah. Their mother was very grateful that they got drunk the night before.
Missy:Just a super interesting topic and we happened to be doing it on the day that it officially sank.
Denise:Starting this on the fifteenth, but we're probably not gonna post this until later, but yeah, today would be a day. So I did the whole live last night. The animation is so, it is so incredible. You want to pull hard, Missy?
Missy:Yeah. Let's do that based on what we've been talking about. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. I learned a ton, and I can't wait to actually pick up one of these books that you suggested because this is the kind of history that I would like to read about.
Denise:Yeah. A Night to Remember, make that be the first one. Then the sequel is The Night Lives On.
Missy:Yep. I've got it. I've got a I put a little star next to it.
Denise:Because when when you get into the senator at New York, you know, Taft's right hand man passed away on the Titanic and he wanted to get word and they had agreed that the ship that saved the people were not because it was too overwhelming. The New York Times was like, we'll give you X amount of money if we'll talk to us now. And Taft had ships go out, navy ships, to escort it. They had them listening to see what people were saying. And that's how they caught Bruce Ismay, who was the director of the White Star Line, who built the Titanic.
Denise:He said, the minute we get to New York, arrange for a boat for me and the crew, and we're gonna head back to England. And he signed his last name backwards. And it was the navy ship that heard it. They sent the information to New York, and the New York Center at the time got a subpoena so that the minute the ship came in, they they grabbed them.
Missy:Wow.
Denise:All these stories are so fascinating. Believe that's in The Night Lives On, all those type of details. All righty, so pull the card for the collective. We're gonna surround the collective with the white light of the Holy Spirit as we begin to pull. The card that I received says, expect miracles, expect miracles.
Denise:I want you to stay as optimistic as you can with whatever it is you're going through right now. You have to expect miracles. They showed me within the next two weeks, you are going to see miraculous things happening in your lives, even down to the simplicity of, God, wish I had enough money to buy groceries, to, My goodness, I cannot believe I got this job that I so didn't think I had. Yeah. They just keep saying two weeks.
Denise:I love it. And I love that it's a collective, right? It's not like you're gonna get yours in two days and you're gonna get yours in five days. Spirit said, give yourself time between now and two weeks. You're going to see miraculous healing in your life.
Missy:I Love that.
Denise:I love that.
Missy:I'm I'm totally ready for my miracle.
Denise:I'm I'm on pins and needles. Let's get this party started, Spirit. All right guys. Thank you so much for joining Missy and I today. Oh, listen, you said you wanted to talk to our crew about possibly doing online, on air readings.
Missy:Yes, absolutely. If you are interested in joining us and it would be live when we do our recording, we would love if you would reach out to us via email and our email is woowoochannelingcrew@gmail.com. And we just thought it would be a nice way for all of you to learn about how we do our readings or just to get an idea of what a reading is like. So if you are interested, please reach out. We don't need a lot of detail and, just take it from there.
Missy:You know, we're not sure how many requests we'll get, but we'll do our best over time to get as many readings as possible on the show.
Denise:We're we're gonna focus on creating segments for you guys, whether it's us doing readings, whether it's us off the cuff, we're we're gonna add more to the table. And remember, it is WooWooChannelingCrew@Gmail, not the woo woo channeling crew, because I know that's our show name is the woo woo, but it's woowoochannelingcrew@Gmail.com. And if you want to book a meeting with me, you can go to divine guidance nine four four dot com or Denise Powell nine four four dot com. I do Zoom and fall meetings and mess with me.
Missy:Yep. And you can find me at 3rd-eye-open.com. I also do phone and zoom. And if you're in the Sedona, Arizona area, you can find me at the center for the new age. Would love to see you in person.
Missy:That would be a really nice treat for me.
Denise:Awesome. Missy, do you like my earrings today?
Missy:I love those earrings.
Denise:A really good friend of mine got them for me. My beautiful friend, Missy, got me these beautiful earrings guys, and it has, a little tarot card in gold dangling with amethyst and a smooth, a sun, not a moon, a smooth. I said a smooth, a sun and a moon. Thank you so much, Missy for my gift. It was like waking up on Christmas day.
Denise:They're gorgeous. Thank you so much.
Missy:You are very welcome. And thank you guys again for being here with us today and learning about the Titanic. We can't wait to have you with us on our next episode. So keep listening, keep following, please share us.
Missy:And until next time, we love you.
Denise:Bye bye.
Missy:Bye.
