The Woo Woo Channeling Crew

Missy: 00:00

Hi, guys, and welcome to the Woo Woo Channeling crew. I'm Missy.

Denise: 00:05

And I'm Denise. And today, we are going to talk about well, let's actually share with them why we decided to do this subject. So we were looking at Instagram, and we saw somebody made a comment under a psychic's page and said, if you are a real psychic, you would never charge, meaning charge for payment. And we had a good chuckle when we saw that.

Missy: 00:34

Yep.

Denise: 00:35

But I don't get it, actually. I was gonna say maybe I understand a little bit why they would say that, but no, I I don't get it. I remember when I first started doing this work, I was so afraid to charge, but I think that had a lot to do with me not understanding my value at the time. And I heard someone say, you can't be the light if you can't keep the lights on.

Missy: 00:56

Yep.

Denise: 00:56

You can't be the light if you can't keep your lights on. And that's what motivated me to charge. It started really low. I started low. I remember my very first business card, it said $15, fifteen minutes, $30 , thirty minutes, $45, forty five minutes, and $60.00 dollars, 60 minutes.

Denise: 01:16

Right? And I did that because I figured if someone books a fifteen minute reading and it sucked and they were unhappy, they would just say, it was only $15. Right? Right. It's like you go to a carnival and you go to, you know, play a game and you lose.

Denise: 01:40

You just say, oh, well, it was $5. It's all good. Right? So I was playing it safe. And then the more referrals I got, the more my business started to build up, the more feedback I got, it really showed me, you know what, Denise?

Denise: 01:56

You might be able to do this for a living and not just something part time. What was your experience?

Missy: 02:03

Yeah. I think I really struggled in the beginning with the same about how to set my prices. And I I can remember having those discussions with you, and a lot of it was about value, but a lot of it was about, will this come so easy to me? And and I felt like, well, if if this is my gift, then how do I even choose a price that would value something that comes so naturally to me?

Denise: 02:29

So you had a guilt?

Missy: 02:31

I think there was yeah. I think there was a little bit of guilt behind it because, well, this came so natural, So why should I charge for, you know, this service? So I think the first couple of years, probably, I wanna say four years, I did not charge for a reading. But then I happen to think, well, yes, my my gift is free. Right?

Missy: 02:55

But my time, the training, the energy, and the space that I hold for people isn't. So charging isn't about monetizing intuition. It's about honoring the exchange so that I can keep doing this work in a grounded ethical way. Yeah. So I believe if I'm remembering correctly, I think I charged $55 for an hour.

Missy: 03:24

But in that time, I've gone through more training. I've done more development. You know, it's not just about thirty or sixty minutes of talking. It is the years of development. It's the energetic output.

Missy: 03:38

It's the emotional labor. It's the spiritual responsibility that you and I have and then the time we dedicate to someone's clarity and their healing. That's how I really started to understand what my value was or what my worth was, and it became a lot easier for me to set my prices. Does that make sense to you?

Denise: 04:00

Yeah. I even remember, like, looking in the Bible and watching how Jesus was healing people, and people would come and see him from afar and hear what he had to say. And I thought, you know, Jesus got paid too. Right? Like Yeah.

Denise: 04:19

When he would heal someone, they'd say, hey, come and eat with us. Right? Or you've done such wonderful works in our town. I will give you shelter. You and your disciples will get shelter.

Denise: 04:31

Jesus didn't have an FPL bill. He didn't have to worry about that. He didn't have a water bill. He didn't have an FPL bill. And so I think that people forget if they're trying to compare, because I had someone try to compare the times back then, and I had to do my research.

Denise: 04:49

I went in and I dug deep, and I was like, Yeah, no. I remember there was a verse in the Bible where somebody lost their sheep, and they said, oh, well, let's go to the seer to see if she can help find the sheep. And and the person said, we don't have enough money. And I was like, woah. Like Yeah.

Denise: 05:08

It it's a service. Yes. It's a beautiful gift, but it's a service. And you said something earlier before we started recording about the doctor, and that really grabbed me.

Missy: 05:19

Yeah. Yeah. So the thing that we were saying before we started recording, I was actually out in the kitchen getting a glass of water, and I heard spirits say, Nobody asked the doctor to do their services for free, and they have natural gifts.

Denise: 05:32

There you go.

Missy: 05:34

That's true. You know? I don't walk into the doctor's offices and say to them, Well, you're really good at at what you do. I can't believe that you're gonna charge me for what you do. You've been given this gift to help heal people or an artist. Think of an artist who draws, and it comes so naturally to them. Why should I pay for your drawing?

Missy: 05:54

It came so naturally to you. If you were a real artist, why should I have to pay?

Denise: 06:00

My new thing lately is I've been watching people make cake pops and cakes. Like, that's my new thing now on YouTube. And there's this one lady telling a story that she got half the deposit, and she made the cake. And she asked the bride, like, a week before the wedding to send the rest. Then morning of to send the rest, she kept saying, okay.

Denise: 06:22

Okay. I'll do it. And she gets to the venue and sets it all up. And then she says, well, you're new in this neighborhood. You just started your business. I think you shouldn't charge me as much. And she said, no. My time, my money, and my talent is what you're paying for. And she's like, well, we don't have the money. And so she said, okay. Well, then I'm going to take the cake back. And then she started to panic, and then she's like, okay. Forget it. You know, you're ridiculous. And then she gave her the money.

Denise: 06:52

And I thought that was so grimy. Right? It's this thing of like, well, because you're new to it, you shouldn't be charging this much. Everybody's trying to finagle it to some degree. Right?

Missy: 07:04

Right.

Denise: 07:04

Any type of business. So I think that it's very hard when people I don't know what it is about psychic work or healing work that people just think they don't look at us as a regular business, a normal business. We have bills to pay. We have children.

Denise: 07:23

We have to put a roof over our heads. Right? Yeah. I had a client say to me, she didn't read with me for a while, and she seemed really irritated. She said, yeah. Well, you know, you keep raising your effing prices. I thought it was so abrasive to use the f word. Right? I could hear how frustrated she was. So the more that we did the reading, the more I realized she had lost her job. So there was a lot of financial stuff happening for her, but she kinda took it out on me. Well, you raised your prices. Well, you know what? I recognize my value. And I I hate that sometimes I have to even give that speech.

Denise: 08:00

It's not just that one person. But I I hate when I'm in, like, a setting of people universally. Right? And they'll say, oh, so what do you do? Or, oh, wow.

Denise: 08:10

You you charge how much? Wow. That's really right? Like, why is it a wow?

Missy: 08:15

Yeah.

Denise: 08:16

Didn't you go to a party? Where was it, missy? You went somewhere and somebody brought up that you were a psychic, and then all of a sudden, like, you end up in the corner. And now everybody wants to talk to their grandma, their grandfather. Tell that story because that was that's pretty compelling.

Missy: 08:33

Yeah. I was actually, I was invited to a a birthday party, and two people, their birthdays were close together, and I offered to provide a sound healing for the group. There's gonna be probably 30 people here. And I just said as my birthday gift to the two of you, I'd like to offer a sound healing. And so as everyone was getting set up in the room and I was getting my bowls and chimes and whatnot set up, she made the announcement that, oh, you know, it's a a beautiful generous gift from Missy, who is a psychic intuitive and a medium. She's going to provide a sound healing for us. And so did the sound healing, and, after the sound healing, people were kinda gathering around in the kitchen. I was grabbing a little plate of food because I hadn't had a chance to eat. And this woman came up to me, and she's like, so, can you tell me if my grandmother is here? And as I'm, you know, eating chips and dip,

Denise: 09:41

stuffing your face,

Missy: 09:42

I'm stuffing my face. So can you tell me if my grandmother is here? And I said, well, not right now. I I really I can't. Oh, well, what about my dog? Can you feel anything about my dog? And my dog passed away, and I wanna know if it's okay to get another dog. And I said, well, do you want another dog? She said, yes. And I go, well, then get another dog. I mean, it wasn't really any psychic information, but it just felt like I was kind of off the clock, but I don't wanna be rude.

Missy: 10:16

And then as I was making my way through the kitchen area, I had this woman basically corner me on the stairs that led to the lower level of the house. I actually lived in the lower level of the house. And I was gonna go back down to my apartment for just a moment. And she said, oh, where are you going? And I said, oh, I'll be back. She says, no. No. No. Here. Sit here.

Missy: 10:39

And she had me sit on the stairs, and I think it was probably an hour that she basically wanted to know if she was gonna meet somebody, if her mother was around her, what her mother had to say.

Denise: 10:53

And that's when you pull out your business card.

Missy: 10:56

And then when you pull out your business card. Right? Yeah.

Denise: 10:58

And say, you wanna book a reading? You can, you know, give them a little bit and make them book a reading. Your your time is not only money, but you're off the clock.

Missy: 11:07

Yeah. That's how I felt, but I don't wanna be rude. Right? Don't wanna be rude, but I just believe that some people feel that because you have this gift and that you're at a party and you're not necessarily sitting in your office or they're having to come somewhere to visit you, that they have full access to you. It it would be the same. Let's use the doctor as an example. It would be the same if an internist was at a party and I found out that's what he did, and I go up to him and I'm like, Hey, I've been really having these problems with my stomach. Can you tell me what's going on? Here's my symptoms. I can tell you that the first thing he's going to tell me is, call my office and make an appointment.

Missy: 11:51

That's what he's going to tell me. And so I should be able to say the same thing without feeling obligated in that moment to do and offer something for free. Now that doesn't mean I haven't offered and done readings for free. I certainly have. But in that moment, I felt like I'm I'm really off the clock. Yeah. And I and I felt cornered. It was uncomfortable, you know, for me, but and we started to say in the beginning that a lot of people feel that because you have this gift and it's something that still makes people very curious, It makes people they they get excited about the possibility of, oh my gosh. I maybe I've never come in contact with a psychic before, and I've always wanted to ask these questions, and I need these answers. So I get that some of it is maybe excitement, but at the same time, I still get paid for what I do.

Denise: 12:47

Yeah. I was at a wedding and I was at a table with people that I did not know. And we're they're all going around kinda like, oh, so how do you know so and so? And and I said my name to one of the girls at the table, and she says, oh, you're psychic, Denise? And it was like it's like those eighties movies where the DJ stops playing.

Denise: 13:14

He's like, right? And the whole room turns and looks at you. Yeah. And I just remember being so uncomfortable. I I looked at her and I go, I I guess. That's psychic Denise. So now I have a a title, but now I've got all these people at the table looking at me. There are some people looking at me sideways because they don't believe in it. There are certain people looking at me like, oh my god. That's pretty interesting. And I remember within two minutes, I got up from the table and I started to mingle elsewhere. So it made me very uncomfortable. I know she didn't mean to do that in the moment, just immediately just said it. I could tell that after she said it and she looked at my face, she knew that I didn't really appreciate that. But, yeah, we have a job that's fun and exciting and unique and very different.

Denise: 14:03

And the majority of people, when we walk down the street, would not go out of their way to go buy a psychic reading. So Yep. When that does present itself, yeah, they're very curious. How do we explain to them that that we're off the clock? Or if you want an hour with me, I think your best bet is to book an appointment.

Denise: 14:23

And I know you said you're trying not to be rude. There's plenty of ways where you can not be rude. What I will usually do is I will just give them a little bit of what I'm sensing and feeling and then say, well, you know, if you'd like, here's my card. Book an appointment, and I have some slots open next week, and maybe we can get together then. Right?

Denise: 14:43

Yeah. And then keep it moving. You have to try your best to just remind people to respect your time and and your space.

Missy: 14:51

I found it interesting that the people that I interacted with at that party that got a message here or there, they never booked.

Denise: 15:00

There you go.

Missy: 15:01

And that's a valuable lesson for me is as well. Yeah. Right?

Denise: 15:05

It's a good to have boundaries.

Missy: 15:07

They had gotten a little bit of the information that they needed at the time, and, but I really did feel like I was treated as the party gift.

Denise: 15:17

The show pony?

Missy: 15:19

Yeah. The the prop. Right? I was the party prop. When people walk out the door, here's your bag and all your little treats.

Missy: 15:25

I felt like that's who I was to those people that in the moment, I really wasn't, you know, missy. I was the psychic. I was somebody who could provide information that they were, you know, curious about. So I don't know if I felt disrespected. I don't think I felt disrespected, but I just wanted them to understand that I was there at that party in the same capacity that they were, which was to enjoy the evening.

Missy: 15:54

And it was a celebration of two people having a birthday, and that's why I was there. I wasn't there to drum up business for myself. I wasn't there to to do any readings. I just wanted to have an evening where, as we keep saying, I was off the clock.

Denise: 16:13

Yeah. And if that woman worked in accounting and you were having an IRS issue and you cornered her and started asking her questions for about an hour, I'm pretty sure she would have been pissed and annoyed. So to the audience, just be very cautious and careful with that. This is a business we're running. And so it doesn't matter how talented we are, we have bills to pay.

Denise: 16:37

So if you hear someone say to you, well, real psychics don't charge. They do it from the kindness of their heart. Well, then that real psychic probably has a nine to five that has nothing to do with psychic work because Yeah. We gotta be able to keep the lights on in order to be the light. Right?

Missy: 16:57

Yeah. I mean, just because we've taken that kind of a vow or we've answered that call or we understand what our purpose is and that these are amazing and beautiful gifts that we have, it doesn't mean that we should not be honored by receiving, again, that energetic exchange. You're paying for a service. It we're providing a service, whether it's called a psychic reading or, you know, would you feel better if I told you that you were getting a haircut? You you know, anybody that has a talent, anybody that is doing a job, whether it comes easy to them or not

Denise: 17:37

Yes.

Missy: 17:37

It's you should be getting rewarded for the work that you do. A professional athlete that is naturally talented doesn't just walk on the field and go, well, you don't have to pay me to catch the football. I'm naturally good at this. You know? I'm just gonna help I'm just out here to help you win games.

Missy: 17:55

No. Right. Right. They're not. They wanna be paid for their talent.

Denise: 17:59

Just like any job, it's an incentive. Right? It's also an incentive for us to wanna do better, wanna educate ourselves more, want to practice more, want to make the client happy. Listen. Inflation goes up. Food goes up. Health care goes up. Right? Like, things go up. Well, why do you think we should not go up?

Denise: 18:17

A neurologist makes great money because he's a neurologist because he did the whole he did the work. He got the degrees. He's mastered it. He's a master at what he does, and so we respect that. And you'd be grateful for the service, right?

Denise: 18:33

Thank you, oncologist, for helping me through breast cancer. Here's your reward. Like, it's a give and a take. It's a give and a take. And you can't I am gonna use the word ignorant. You can't be ignorant and think that just because we have this spiritual gift that we should be giving it out for free.

Missy: 18:55

Yep. As we explained in the beginning, it wasn't easy for either of us to decide what we were going to charge, how much we were going to charge. And my thought was, wow. This comes really easily to me. How do I even begin to charge at this? I would love to do this for free, but I have bills to pay. Period.

Denise: 19:14

I remember being so scared when I first raised my prices after, I think, like, four years. And I remember my mom, and she was just like, you have to know your value. And I remember changing the prices the beginning of the year and I just watched. I watched to see how many appointments would come through. And it was not only like the regulars, but new people.

Denise: 19:44

That's what I needed to feel confident that the decision that I made to raise my prices was accurate.

Missy: 19:51

Yeah.

Denise: 19:51

And for those of you who do do this for a living, my daughter gave me the best advice. She said, if your clients can't afford you, then they're probably not your client. Right? Yeah. If they can't afford you, then they probably don't understand your value.

Denise: 20:06

So it was hard. I was always afraid to raise my price because I would think about that single mom who I knew was struggling. How is she going to book with me? I was so worried about what everybody was going through in their lives that I forgot about mine.

Missy: 20:22

Yeah.

Denise: 20:23

Right? And we talked a little bit about this earlier, unrelated to this topic, how much we give to others and want to nurture and provide, and then we forget about ourselves.

Missy: 20:34

Yeah. And I think too, for me, I look at it as I don't wanna necessarily say that people are taking, but I want to engage in readings where I feel like people are participating and they're not taking. Does that make sense? Rather than being a taker, which is someone who believes for me that they shouldn't have to pay for this, I look at it as I want to attract participants who are participating in their healing journey and therefore understand that I'm providing a service and then ultimately that they have to pay for that service rather than somebody who wants something for free.

Denise: 21:14

Yeah. And every everything in life is a give and the take. Right?

Missy: 21:18

So That's and that's what I mean. It's the the given Yeah.

Denise: 21:22

You just wanna know that that they're they're coming towards you in the right place. Listen. We can tell when somebody really wants help and when someone is just treating us like we're a part of a Carney show. Right? Yep.

Denise: 21:34

You'll see it. You'll see the people who just want yes, no answers or somebody who wants you to go a little deeper. I remember doing coaching with a client and for every week for a good year, we would go over tools of what she needed to do. And then she'd come in the next week and I'm like, so did you do x, y, and z? No.

Denise: 21:54

No. I didn't. Okay. So then we go the next week. Hey. Did you have the conversation with that person? No. I ended up not having the conversation. And then finally, Spirit was like, why are you here? Right?

Missy: 22:06

Yeah.

Denise: 22:07

And I said to her, listen. You are wasting your money meeting with me weekly if you're not doing the work. And I remember it was almost like she had a fear of me telling her maybe this isn't a good fit. I instantly saw the fear, but guess what it did? The following week, hey, did you get such and such done? Yep, I did. And here's what happened. Then she started to do the work. Right?

Denise: 22:37

Every client is different. She I think she loved the comfort of having me on a weekly basis to kinda walk her through things, but she wasn't really doing the work. And then there are some people that are just incapable of it. The moral of the story is if you're willing to pay, that means you're willing to do the work. You want something to change.

Denise: 22:57

You want something to heal. I realized that I cannot compromise my prices and my time and my effort. Because let's not forget, guys, it takes a lot out of Missy and I to do this work.

Missy: 23:12

Yeah. The emotional labor. Yeah. You know?

Denise: 23:15

We're not behind a keyboard just, you know, punching away at numbers as our nine to five. Right? We don't have that comfort of that solid paycheck that's coming every week or every other week. So, yeah, this is a business. I chuckle now when I hear people say, ugh, true psychics don't charge.

Denise: 23:37

Well, I don't agree with that. I think true psychics understand the importance of being able to pay your bills and put food on the table. I have seen amazing psychics pinch pennies because they are too cautious in charging. Yeah. Can't get anywhere.

Denise: 23:57

Can't save. Need to borrow money. Right?

Missy: 24:03

Yeah. For sure.

Denise: 24:04

Until you realize, nope. I I gotta really understand my value.

Missy: 24:09

Yeah. No. I I definitely agree with that, and I'm glad I don't struggle with it as much as I used to. Mhmm. I still get tested from time to time with certain clients, but I'm glad that I am understanding my value and the value of the service that I offer.

Missy: 24:28

And I think that's where I see it. The reciprocation is they have to understand the value of what they're going to get out of it, the value of what I offer. And if I'm, I can tell you right now, if I'm not doing good readings or you're not doing good readings, we're not gonna make any money. So it doesn't matter. We don't even need to call it the real psychic or not the real psychic because I can tell you it's going to boil down to what are you doing with the information that you've just received, or it's either gonna provide value for you or or it's not.

Missy: 24:59

And if you find value in it, then you're going to be willing to pay for the service. Right? Those psychics that are not real, they're gonna be weeded out. The psychics that are real are the ones that are going to create the mainstay. And this is the space that I I want to be in, and I've worked very hard to be in this space leaving a comfortable nine to five corporate job to jump into a space where I'm now running my own business in a website and ordering business cards and finding the space to go and do, you know, the readings and being present every single day no matter what I'm going through.

Missy: 25:36

And you and I had to talk about that really just going through a little bit of a tough time lately. And I have to hold it together, and I hope that in my holding it together and the way that I show up every single day for every single one of my clients that they see value in everything that I offer and come with the understanding that I charge a certain price to provide that guidance.

Denise: 26:06

Just to be clear, you said you're struggling, but we're not talking about financially struggling. You're talking about mentally and emotionally.

Missy: 26:13

Yeah. Mentally and emotionally. Yeah. 100%. Even when you and I are going through trying times just from our own emotional or mental stability when we're just questioning the next move or how we're gonna grow or, you know, how things are changing for us, the way that the landscape begins to change and what that means for us, you know, we still have to show up every single day and hold space for other people.

Missy: 26:44

And that's the emotional output that I talk about or have mentioned it a couple times in this episode. That's extremely draining, but I'm still showing up and giving everything I have, every fiber of my being. There's that energy output that I set aside whatever it is that I'm going through to truly hold that space for you as my client in that moment. Yeah. I take this calling very seriously.

Missy: 27:14

I I don't I don't joke around, you know, about this. I mean, we talk about a lot of things that are funny that have happened to us, but when it comes down to doing a reading, I'm all business about it.

Denise: 27:26

So the moral of the story, guys, is psychics are running a business. We're a business. Whether we have an assistant or not, it's phone calls, it's booking, it's updating websites, it's preparing classes. We're a one woman show. Like, this is not something easy to navigate.

Denise: 27:46

So the moral of the story is, yes, we are a business. No. Us charging does not define whether we are a charlatan or not. We're being reasonable in a society today where we have to pay bills. Like I said, we're not doing readings and someone offers to cook me dinner like Jesus.

Denise: 28:07

Okay? No one says, Denise, thank you for the reading. Come spend one night with me. Right? Like, that's just not how it works.

Missy: 28:16

Here's our vacation home. Would you like to come to our vacation home in Italy and stay for a week free of charge? We'll pay for everything. Actually,

Denise: 28:25

Missy just got an offer. But they paid her also, and and they said come hang out with us at our vacation home. So, yeah, listen. If you offer the vacation home, that's awesome, but I thank you for your We thank you guys for your service. We appreciate our clients. We appreciate those that do honor.

Denise: 28:47

Listen. I had a client say to me the other day, Denise, I would pay $300 if you were $300. And you know what? That's really sweet. That's really thoughtful.

Denise: 28:56

I am grateful for what you do for me. That's what that said to me. Didn't encourage me to say, god, maybe I should raise my prices. No. She's just letting me know I truly value your assistance and your guidance.

Missy: 29:09

Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. You know what? That's actually a really good segue too

Denise: 29:13

because I scoff when I see intuitives that are charging $5,600, a thousand dollars an hour. It it's such a it's a, mean, it's I don't even know what to say.

Missy: 29:28

It's a little bit of a turnout for me. I don't wanna say but I don't want that to say about you and I that I guess maybe my question is, what does that mean for me if somebody's charging a thousand dollars for an hour reading? And my hour reading, it it's no surprise. You can find it on my website or you can visit me in Sedona, is $210 an hour. Does it does it mean that because you charge, you know, $790 more than I do, does it mean you're going to get a better reading? Not necessarily.

Denise: 30:01

No. Not at all. Right? I had a client who had a reading with someone who was charging $400, and she said, Denise, this woman was an absolute disaster. So Yeah.

Denise: 30:14

400 versus 200, and she thought I did a better job. You've gotta do your homework. You've gotta do your research. You've gotta trust intuitively what you pick up. Like, I can look at a psychic's photo and just energetically get whether this is gonna work for me or not.

Denise: 30:33

Or I'll go on their website and look around and see what I gravitate towards or not. This is why I love referrals. I'm a big supporter of referrals. I think referrals are my greatest testimony. Right?

Denise: 30:46

Yeah. Those are my testimonies. The fact that I get referrals all the time. I know the type of audience that I'd like, and I have a soft spot where I wanna be careful with my prices to ensure that I can hit any demographic and they will be okay and I will be okay, if that makes any sense.

Missy: 31:07

Yeah. No. I think that's a really good point about the kind of audience that you want to attract. Right? The kind of clientele that you want that are gonna come back time and and time again or refer people through your business.

Missy: 31:21

But I can tell you that people that get referred to you aren't going, hey. You need to go to Denise because she's only x amount of dollars an hour. That's not what they're saying. Or you need to go to Missy because she's only gonna charge you x amount, so she's really inexpensive. They're sending people your way or my way because of the experience.

Missy: 31:43

So you're paying for the experience that you've had with us through our readings. And if you haven't had a chance to either have a reading by Denise or myself yet, and, we'll tell you in a little bit how you can reach us, but please go back and listen to the episodes where Denise does a live reading, and then, mine is posted the next week, and I do a live reading. And you can get an idea of how we work, the information that flows through us from spirit. We're we're not people plucking information out of the air. We're really spirit led and believe in what we do and, you know, really wanna reach as many people as we can. So if you haven't had an opportunity to do that, please go back and listen to those episodes.

Denise: 32:27

I hope this episode really helped clear some things for listeners and also for those who are doing this work. There's a lot of trepidation when you decide, you know what? I am going to do healing work full time. There is trepidation because you're green, and it's okay to be green. Be fair to yourself.

Denise: 32:49

Understand that practice makes perfect. And with that practice makes perfect, my best advice for those that are starting a business is start low. Start low

Missy: 33:00

Yeah.

Denise: 33:01

And work your way up. Work your way up. You will be able to define yourself. Testimonials will define. Referrals will define.

Denise: 33:09

How busy you become will define what your worth is. And like Missy said, she gives free readings every once in while, so do I. Right? Just because we don't advertise it and blast it on a billboard. Yeah.

Denise: 33:22

There are plenty of times. It doesn't matter for whatever circumstance. Yeah. We we 100%. In fact, I'd like to do some more charity stuff.

Missy: 33:29

That would be fun

Denise: 33:30

Yeah. Okay, guys. I hope this episode was really helpful. Missy, anything else you wanted to share before we wrap up?

Missy: 33:38

No. I think that's it, but I would really love if you would pull a card for the collective.

Denise: 33:45

Yay. I'm down. Guides, surround us with the white light of the holy spirit.

Denise: 33:52

Oh, Missy, I'm so not surprised by the card that I just pulled for the collective. It says balance, work, rest, and play. Yeah. So Not surprised. I'm not surprised.

Denise: 34:06

Why I'm laughing, guys, is because before we started recording, Spirit was very adamant about Missy learning to focus more on balance. And, I mean, they would not stop. Right? We've gotta find balance. I wanna just read what's on the card.

Denise: 34:22

It says it's important for you to have fun along with fulfilling your responsibilities. It's great that Spirit says that, but sometimes we're like, well, can you give me the blueprint? Can I get a manual on how to do this? But no, spirit says you are going to sense and feel when the time is right, that when balancing work, rest, and play is absolutely needed. I love when it says having fun while fulfilling your responsibilities.

Denise: 34:50

And guess what? You can't do that without having a job that pays you. Yeah. You go. So if you guys want us to be balanced and give great readings, we've gotta be able to balance our personal lives. And in order for us to do that, we've gotta charge. So there you have it.

Missy: 35:06

Yep. There you have it. And thank you once again, Spirit. I am hearing you loud and clear. I get it.

Missy: 35:16

I get it. I get it. My god. It's like spirit must think I'm just stupid or something. No.

Missy: 35:24

Drilling it in they've been drilling it into my head for, like, the past couple of hours, literally.

Denise: 35:31

I kid you not. I pulled out some of my cards, and I pulled one, and it said, for missy balance. I pulled again. It said balance, work, rest, and play. I pulled another one.

Denise: 35:41

It says, get back into balance. Like, it's been a theme today.

Missy: 35:45

Yeah. It really has. So thank you again, Spirit. I really appreciate it. I hear you.

Missy: 35:51

I love you, and I know that you also love me.

Denise: 35:54

So thank you guys for joining us.

Missy: 35:55

We really appreciate you being here with us today. Denise, if people wanna reach out and do a reading with you by phone or Zoom, how do they find you?

Denise: 36:07

Denise Powell nine four four dot com or divine guidance nine four four dot com. I am also local in South Florida, Southeast, Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami. And you?

Missy: 36:22

I can be reached at third eye open dot com. Locally, if you are in the Sedona area, I am doing readings at the Center for the New Age. I also do phone and Zoom. So until next time, guys. We really appreciate you being here.

Missy: 36:39

We love you. Bye.

Denise: 36:42

Bye bye.